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#1701 Nincha

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Posted 30 March 2014 - 08:06 AM

Getting humans to give a shit about other animals really shouldn’t be this difficult.

 

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After all this time?

Always.


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Posted 01 April 2014 - 05:04 PM

Poleg razlogov, ki so omenjeni zgoraj (etični), se veliko ljudi odloča za veganstvo tudi zaradi zdravja.  :) Dokazano je namreč, da je tovrstna prehrana veliko bolj zdrava.  ;)

 

Včeraj sem bila na tistem predavanju (moje prvo, hehe), in je bilo super, ter zelo poučno. Najprej je predaval Urban Praprotnik, profesor športne vzgoje in tekač.  :D On je na malo bolj znanstven način predstavil tematiko, da lahko vse esencialne aminokisline, beljakovine, itd. dobimo v hrani rastlinskega izvora.

 

Bilo je poučno in zelo zanimivo, poskusila sem pa tudi nekaj priboljškov, piškote, pecivo ter en sendvič. Vse je bilo nadvse okusno.  :) Nato sem žal morala domov, čeprav se je zakuska šele začela. Rekla bi še, da 'vsaka čast' za tak dogodek, ki je bil zastonj, pa še hrana je bila vključena. Sem prišla navdušena domov, in o povedanem razmišljala še dolgo v noč.

 

Mleko sem že črtala iz prehrane, sedaj pijem rastlinsko, jajca pa tudi. Že 2 dni testiram vegansko prehrano, in mi kar gre, ker kuham vse sama doma. Včeraj sem po dolgem času bila tudi na tržnici.  :) Tudi fant se navdušuje nad idejo, sicer ga v nič ne silim, samo dejstva sem predstavila. Tako da se bova sedaj doma skupaj tako prehranjevala, kar bo zanj super (ima povišan holesterol).

 

 

Edit: VELIK del teksta mi je zbrisalo, namreč Urban Praprotnik NI bil tisti, ki je predaval na bolj znanstven način, ampak Marko Čenčur

 

Po obsežnem googlanju mi je uspelo izbrskati ta post :D

 

(Žal) še nikoli nisem poslušala predavanja Marka Čenčurja, zato ostale, ki ste ga, vprašam, bi se vam zdel primeren za predavanje na Medicinski fakulteti? (beri: predavanje oz. sklop predavanj bi obravnavalo tematiko nekaj v smislu "Resnice in zmote o vplivu vegetarijanstva, veganstva, drugih oblik na zdravje"

 

Kolegica medicinka veganka me je opozorila, da predava ful doživeto in da je morda premalo objektiven. Rabimo "nevtralnega" človeka, ki bi poudaril,

da je meso popolnoma nadomestljivo živilo, če je brezmesna prehrana uravnotežena. V mislih imam tudi prof.dr.Marjana Šimčiča z oddelka za živilstvo Biotehniške fakultete (Anouk, ga mogoče poznaš?), ki je sam sicer delni vegetarijanec.

Ostali iz stroke bi prišli v poštev v pro et contra debati oziroma debata o 'osebnih izkušnjah': dr. Rok Orel, Miloš Židanik, Urban Praprotnik, Alja Dimic...

 

Samo to so samo moje ideje zaenkrat, se moram še marsikaj posvetovat, pozanimat... Da bo tko, kot se zagre.


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Posted 01 April 2014 - 05:22 PM

Marjan Simčič je super! Mene uči prehrano in klinično dietetiko. Priporočam ;)
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Ne, ona nima žametnih oči in niti kodrov mehkih kakor svila, 
če sneg je bel, ga v njenih nedrih ni in usta bi se od koral ločila.
Sem videl rože bele in rdeče, na njenih licih take ne cveto
in so dišave, ki so bolj dehteče, kot vonj, ki diha njeno ga telo. 
Njen glas poslušam rad, četudi vem da zvoki strun prijetneje zvene, 
kako boginje hodijo ne vem; ko ona hodi, stopa kot ljudje.
Pa vendar se mi zdi bolj očarljiva kot vse, ki pesem jih slavi lažniva.


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Posted 01 April 2014 - 05:34 PM

 

Po obsežnem googlanju mi je uspelo izbrskati ta post :D

 

(Žal) še nikoli nisem poslušala predavanja Marka Čenčurja, zato ostale, ki ste ga, vprašam, bi se vam zdel primeren za predavanje na Medicinski fakulteti? (beri: predavanje oz. sklop predavanj bi obravnavalo tematiko nekaj v smislu "Resnice in zmote o vplivu vegetarijanstva, veganstva, drugih oblik na zdravje"

 

Kolegica medicinka veganka me je opozorila, da predava ful doživeto in da je morda premalo objektiven. Rabimo "nevtralnega" človeka, ki bi poudaril,

da je meso popolnoma nadomestljivo živilo, če je brezmesna prehrana uravnotežena. V mislih imam tudi prof.dr.Marjana Šimčiča z oddelka za živilstvo Biotehniške fakultete (Anouk, ga mogoče poznaš?), ki je sam sicer delni vegetarijanec.

Ostali iz stroke bi prišli v poštev v pro et contra debati oziroma debata o 'osebnih izkušnjah': dr. Rok Orel, Miloš Židanik, Urban Praprotnik, Alja Dimic...

 

Samo to so samo moje ideje zaenkrat, se moram še marsikaj posvetovat, pozanimat... Da bo tko, kot se zagre.

 

Marko je fajn, ce mu vnaprej poves, kaj se od njega pricakuje, bi se gotovo ustrezno pripravil in fajn odrezal, sta tudi z dr. Orlom ze enkrat na TV debatirala (bi bilo zdaj verjetno bolj uspesno kot takrat, ker domnevam, da se je Orel od takrat malo nacital in pozna razliko med makrobiotiko in veganstvom). Je pa Cencur mag. necesa bolj tehnicnega sicer, ni v zdravstvenih vodah, ceprav je precej nacitan. 

 

Simcica pa ne poznam (vsaj ne poimensko) - sem studirala na univerzi v Mariboru in 'smo' (beri: so se profesorji) se z Ljubljanskimi fakultetami kregali samo glede eko/gso hrane (klasika :P). 


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Posted 03 April 2014 - 08:26 PM

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Posted 04 April 2014 - 11:15 AM


Health bosses tonight faced calls to review their message on fruit and vegetables after research suggested five-a-day may not be enough.

The current guidelines may need to be doubled after a study suggested those eating more were likely to live longer.

 

People eating at least seven portions of fresh fruit and vegetables reduced their overall risk of death by 42 per cent, compared with those who had one helping a day or less.

 

It also cut the threat of cancer by 25 per cent and heart disease by 31 per cent. Dr Oyinlola Oyebode, leader of the University College London study, said: ‘The clear message here is that the more fruit and vegetables you eat, the less likely you are to die at any age.

 

‘However, people shouldn’t feel daunted by a big target like seven. Whatever your starting point, it is always worth eating more fruit and vegetables.’

The research questioned if sugary canned and frozen fruits should count towards the daily intake, after it appeared to suggest these increased the risk of death by 17 per cent per portion. NHS guidelines recommend eating five 80g portions of fruit and vegetables a day.

 

Liverpool University experts said the 12-year study of 65,000 people in England showed it was ‘perhaps now time to update the “five-a-day” message to “ten-a-day”.’

 

Public Health England said it had no plans to change the guidelines, as two-thirds of adults do not meet the target.

‘Our focus remains on increasing overall consumption of fruit and vegetables to meet current recommendations,’ it added.

 

 

 

http://metro.co.uk/2...it-too-4684687/

 

 

The doctors added that as a maximum recommended daily amount of fruit and vegetables “could not easily be defined”, the Government’s current five a day guide “might provide a false reassurance and risk complacency” among people who already ate that amount. “They need to aim higher,” they added.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Fruit and vegetable consumption and all-cause, cancer and CVD mortality: analysis of Health Survey for England data 
 
J Epidemiol Community Health doi:10.1136/jech-2013-203500

 

 


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Posted 04 April 2014 - 11:31 AM

Zelo uporabna spletna stran s fajn pregledom specificnih (ne izkljucno) vegansko-obarvanih tem: KLIK

 

 

Staying Healthy on Plant-Based Diets
 

Introduction

Nutrients that Need Attention in Vegan and Vegetarian Diets

Nutrients that Need Attention in Vegan Diets

Other Nutrients

Pregnancy, Infants, Children, Teens

Cadmium

Diabetes - Type 1 (see below for Type 2)

Digestion

Hair Loss

Oxalate

Sports Nutrition

Supplements: Which Does a Vegan R.D. Take?

Testing for Nutrition Deficiencies

Vegan Meal Plans by Dina Aronson, MS, RD

Research on Vegetarians and Vegans
Vegan Diets in Disease Treatment
Soy and Food Allergies
Raw Foodism
Dietetics
Companion Animals

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Posted 04 April 2014 - 06:00 PM

Raziskava, ki razburja: Vsejedci bolj zdravi od vegetarijancev

 

'Novinarji' na 24 ur spet odlično opravljajo svoje delo. 


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Posted 04 April 2014 - 07:22 PM

O tistemu clanku iz UK pa ne duha ne sluha, pa je bil study design precej boljsi ;)

 

Odziv na to avstrijsko studijo: KLIK1, KLIK2

 

Originalni clanek: KLIK (posebej sekcija diskusija - potencialne omejitve)


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#1711 Anouk

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Posted 04 April 2014 - 08:53 PM

O tistemu clanku iz UK pa ne duha ne sluha, pa je bil study design precej boljsi ;)

 

Odziv na to avstrijsko studijo: KLIK1, KLIK2

 

Originalni clanek: KLIK (posebej sekcija diskusija - potencialne omejitve)

 

 

Se en odziv:

 

Social media, and its infinite viral wisdom, strikes again. A ridiculously bad article was published in an online crappy journal and it is now spreading like wildfire as if it is the truth handed down by God.

 

The article states that vegetarians are less healthy than meat eaters. What?! There has never been a study that has been so bold as to state such a fact! They must have something big, right? I mean this goes against the vast majority of recent science. Anytime an article is an outlier it needs to be well understood, and for it to have meaning it should be replicated. So lets take a look.

 

This study is from Austria. They looked at over 15,000 people. So since this is a comparative study I would imagine there must be quiet a few vegetarians right? WRONG! 0.2% where vegetarian. That is it. A few measly vegetarians. With such a low amount there is no way that you can do an adequately powered statistical analysis, so the authors didn't try. Instead they matched the few vegetarians they had with age matched meat eaters. Some of the vegetarians had no age matched counterparts so they were dropped from the study! Even fewer vegetarians now.

 

OK so we are going to take these few vegetarians and compare them with meat eaters and follow them for years and see how the do, right? WRONG! They just did one interview with them to assess their health and their eating habits. So do we know how long they have been vegetarian? No. Could they have turned vegetarian because they were sick. Of course. Many people facing a diagnosis of heart disease turn to vegetarian diet. In this case the heart disease would have been equated with being vegetarian. This was a 1 day study not a multiple year prospective study like the Adventist Health Study.

 

Well at least we should be able to discern exactly what "vegetarian " means, right? We should at least know that these vegetarians are in fact eating vegetables, right? Wrong! They applied labels on people but never assessed their exact meal plan. There is no mention as to how many fruits and veggies they were eating. In fact, they noted that the vegetarians were less likely to pursue preventative health, which in itself could explain their poor health. What this means is that these people were unlikely vegetarian for health reasons. In predominately meat eating populations when you find very few people abstaining from meat, and not going in for regular doctors visits, it could be that they are "ethical" vegetarians. In other words, they do not eat meat because of the cruelty aspect. Often times these people eat quite a junk food diet. Lots of processed carbs and not much actual fruit and veggies.

 

In the end this is just bad science. Their conclusion is not worth the paper this would have been printed on had it actually been printed. Instead this wound up on an online journal known for poor peer review. This was not debated at a large scientific conference. This study would have gotten F had a student turned it into me, regardless of the findings, just based on the poor experimental design. In the end, this study would have been never looked at again, except that social media loves a good controversial study that confirms what everybody wants to believe. Now it is showing up all over the internet as if Harvard had just released the study in The New England Journal of Medicine. And this is why people get so confused!


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Posted 04 April 2014 - 09:19 PM

Hvala ti za to, sem prilepila nekomu na Wall, ker me je živciral. :D Včasih pač ne morem biti tih. Če je pa totalno gnil članek, no, in nekateri to jemljejo kot resno študijo.

Me zanima, če so prebrali kaj več kot samo naslov. 


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Posted 07 April 2014 - 11:03 PM

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 11:04 PM

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Posted 09 April 2014 - 07:17 AM

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Posted 09 April 2014 - 10:44 AM

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Zanimiva teorija, ki sem jo pred kratkim slišala...

 

Prek tega, kar jemo, v svoja telesa sidramo svetlobo. Rastline znajo to zelo dobro, s pomočjo fotosinteze. Ljudje, ki jemo rastline in rastlinsko hrano, vnašamo vase veliko več svetlobe kot tisti, ki jedo pretežno hrano živalskega izvora. 


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Posted 09 April 2014 - 10:58 AM

Meni je pa to malo mimo - fotosinteza se vrsi v listih (ponekod tudi v steblih) in ne toliko v plodovih, plus ne-cloveske zivali tudi jedo rastline, torej bi preko njih po taki logiki 'zasidrali' vec 'svetlobe'. 

Je pa ena tistih misli, ki se verjetno lepo slisijo na prvo zogo.


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Posted 09 April 2014 - 01:34 PM

Meni je pa to malo mimo - fotosinteza se vrsi v listih (ponekod tudi v steblih) in ne toliko v plodovih, plus ne-cloveske zivali tudi jedo rastline, torej bi preko njih po taki logiki 'zasidrali' vec 'svetlobe'. 

Je pa ena tistih misli, ki se verjetno lepo slisijo na prvo zogo.

 

Iz energijskega vidika je mišljeno. ;)


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Posted 09 April 2014 - 03:38 PM

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Odkriti srečo. Jo loviti in ujeti. Se prepustiti. Gledati z odprtimi očmi, vonjati, poslušati, se čuditi. Biti radoveden, ceniti lepoto in preproste, majhne in srčne stvari, srčne ljudi, trenutke. Čričke. Predvsem ne pozabi na čričke. Brez njih ni poletja.

 
 

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Posted 10 April 2014 - 12:14 PM

 

 

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