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[Frida]

Adriane, omenila si, da bi rada našla mehčalec, ki ga ne testirajo na živalih. A imaš mogoče tudi tak prašek in kakšna ostala čistila za dom? Če ja, mi prosim povej, katera imaš.

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Na tej strani, kjer prodajajo Lavero, imajo tudi ekološka čistila in pralne praške, mehčalce

http://www.tm-shop.s...lna_sredstva/-/

[Adriane]

Ej, Frida, ne. Mamina firma je nekaj časa poslovala z Leverjem in imamo še zdaj precejšnje zaloge od njih doma.

V bližnji prihodnosti bom malo preučila vso zadevo. Si je treba vzet čas, da najdeš pravo stvar.
Hvala za link.

[koki]

Jaz sem nekje brala, da je ozadje bolj tako tako, ker tista podjetja, ki ne testirajo na živalih, kupujejo sestavine od podjetij ki testirajo na živalih...pa smo spet tam, če je to res?! A katera kaj ve o temu, kok so sploh vse te info preverjene?

[Adriane]

Ja, lahko se vrtimo v krogu. Kljub temu pa ne mislim podpirat firm, ki to javno brez sramu priznavajo.

Sama nisem preverjala informacij - nisem bila prisotna pri nobenem testiranju živali in gledanju pod prste znanstvenikom. Drugače ne vem, kako bi lahko še preverila. Itak se lahko vsak zlaže. Verjameš pač temu, kar je napisano pri raznih organizacijah.

[Frčica]

Preveri tudi, če testirajo hrano za male živali. Vem, da Eukanuba izvaja prav grozljive teste. Jo ne kupujem. Pa royal canin se mi zdi da tud.

[Frida]

Ja pi**a no!?

[Frčica]

Vem!

[Anouk]

katastrofa :S.

Krka in Lek menda testirata? kolikor jaz vem ...

Pa ena je napisala, da l'occitane ne uporabljajo sestavin živalskega izvora, ampak - a ni v enih proizvodih čebelji vosek, med, take stvari? it's not as innocent as well.



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Honey: From Factory-Farmed Bees
This is a US factsheet. It will be replaced by a UK version when available.
Although there were 3,500 native species of bees pollinating the flowers and food crops of North America when European settlers landed on its shores in the 17th century, the colonists were interested only in their Old World honeybee’s wax and honey. So they imported the insects, and by the mid-1800s, both feral and domesticated colonies of honeybees were scattered all over the United States.(1) As a result of disease, pesticides, and climate changes, the honeybee population is now in decline, but since the demand for honey remains high, these tiny beings are factory- farmed, much like chickens, pigs, and cows.
The Complex Lives of Bees

A honeybee hive consists of tens of thousands of bees, each with his or her own mission that is determined by the bee’s sex and age and by the time of year. Each hive usually has one queen, hundreds of drones, and thousands of workers. Queens can live for as long as seven years, while other bees have lifespans ranging from a few weeks to six months.(2)
Worker bees are responsible for feeding the brood, caring for the queen, building comb, foraging for nectar and pollen, and cleaning, ventilating, and guarding the hive. The drones serve the queen, who is responsible for reproduction. She lays about 250,000 eggs each year—as many as a million during her lifetime.(3)
When a new queen is about to be born, the old queen and half the hive leave their old home and set up in a new place that scouting worker bees have found.(4)
As the temperature drops in the winter, the bees cluster around the queen and the young, using their body heat to keep the temperature inside the hive steady at around 93°F.(5)
A Language All Their Own

Bees have a unique and complex form of communication based on sight, motion, and scent that scientists and scholars still don’t fully understand.(6) Bees alert other members of their hive to food, new hive locations, and conditions within their hive (such as nectar supply) through intricate “dance” movements.(7)
Studies have shown that bees are not only capable of abstract thought, they are also capable of distinguishing their own family members from other bees in the hive, using visual cues to map their travels, and finding a previously used food supply, even when their home has been moved.(8, 9, 10) And in the same way that smells can invoke powerful memories in humans, bees use their sense of smell to trigger memories of where the best food can be found.(11)
Why Bees Need Their Honey

Plants produce nectar to attract pollinators (bees, butterflies, bats, and other mammals), who are necessary for successful plant reproduction. Bees collect and use nectar to make honey, which provides vital nourishment for them, especially during the winter. Since nectar contains a lot of water, bees have to work to dry it out, and they add enzymes from their own bodies to convert it into food and prevent it from going bad.(12) To produce a pound of honey, bees must get pollen from two million flowers and fly more than 55,000 miles.(13)
Honeybees Do Not Pollinate as Well as Native Bees

Approximately one out of every three mouthfuls of food or drink that humans consume is made possible by pollinators—insects, birds, and mammals pollinate about 75 percent of all food crops.(14) Industrial beekeepers want consumers to believe that honey is just a byproduct of the necessary pollination provided by honeybees, but honeybees are not as good at pollinating as many truly wild bees, such as bumblebees and carpenter and digger bees. Native bees are active earlier in the spring, both male and females pollinate, and they are unaffected by mites and Africanized bees, which can harm honeybees.(15) But because most species of native bees hibernate for as many as 11 months out of the year and do not live in large colonies, they do not produce massive amounts of honey, and what little they do produce is not worth the effort required to steal it from them.(16, 17) So although native bees are more effective pollinators, farmers continue to rely on factory-farmed honeybees for pollination so that the honey industry can take in in excess of 170 million pounds of honey every year, at a value of more than $200 million.(18)
Manipulating Nature

Profiting from honey requires the manipulation and exploitation of the insects’ desire to live and protect their hive. Like other factory-farmed animals, honeybees are victims of unnatural living conditions, genetic manipulation, and stressful transportation.
The familiar white box that serves as a beehive has been around since the mid-1850s and was created so that beekeepers could move the hives from place to place. The New York Times reported that bees have been “moved from shapes that accommodated their own geometry to flat-topped tenements, sentenced to life in file cabinets.”(19)
Since “swarming” (the division of the hive upon the birth of a new queen) can cause a decline in honey production, beekeepers do what they can to prevent it, including clipping the wings of a new queen, killing and replacing an older queen after just one or two years, or confining a queen who is trying to begin a swarm.(20, 21) There are also commercial “queen rearers” who raise and mail about a million queen bees a year all over North America. Many of the animals die in transit.(22) Queens are artificially inseminated using drones, who are killed in the process.(23) Commercial beekeepers also “trick” queens into laying more eggs by adding wax cells to the hive that are larger than those that worker bees would normally build.(24)
Some farmers kill all the bees in the fall because it’s easier than winterizing the hives. One beekeeper admits that one of his friends “uses canisters of cyanide gas to exterminate 6,000 colonies of bees at the conclusion of the production season. It is the most economical way to run his operation.”(25) Each hive that is left to hibernate through the winter needs at least 50 pounds of honey to survive, and according to one entomologist, many bees succumb to improper care, starvation, weakness, and other problems during the winter.(26)
Honeybee populations have declined by as much as 50 percent since the 1980s, partly because of parasitic mites.(27) BeeCulture magazine reports that beekeepers are notorious for contributing to the spread of disease: “Beekeepers move infected combs from diseased colonies to healthy colonies, fail to recognize or treat disease, purchase old infected equipment, keep colonies too close together, [and] leave dead colonies in apiaries.”(28) Artificial diets, provided because farmers take the honey that bees would normally eat, leave bees susceptible to sickness and attack from other insects.(29) When diseases are detected, beekeepers are advised to “destroy the colony and burn the equipment,” which can mean burning or gassing the bees to death.(30)
Since healthy honeybees are becoming harder and harder to find, farmers have resorted to trucking hives across the country. When asked to examine 2,000 beehives rented by a New Jersey cranberry farmer, retired apiary inspectors found “about 500 colonies with equipment in such bad shape that [it] would not even qualify as junk … mice nests, old feeders full of comb, rotten hive with bees coming out from all over.” The hives were also made of wood that was labeled as having been treated with arsenic and was, therefore, unsuitable for beehives.(31)
Bears are also victims of the honey industry. The government of Maryland compensates beekeepers for electric fences around hives, and Virginia beekeepers have asked their legislature to allow them to kill bears.(32)
What You Can Do

Avoid honey, beeswax, propolis, royal jelly, and other products that come from bees. Vegan lip balms and candles are readily available. Visit CaringConsumer.com for a list of companies that don’t use animal products. Rice syrup, molasses, sorghum, barley malt, maple syrup, and dried fruit or fruit concentrates can be used to replace honey in recipes. Call 1-888-VEG-FOOD or visit GoVeg.com to order a free vegetarian starter kit that contains information about compassionate eating choices.


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[Fluffy The Stud Eater]

Kaaaj?
Saj človek ne bo mogel več NIČ kupit, ker se skoraj vse testira...

[Anouk]

js se trenutno pacam samo z glino, kšnimi blagimi kamilicami al pa olivnim oljem, ki mu primešam par kapljic eteričnih (tapravih & fair trade). gre koža na boljš, čeprav stanje še zdaleč ni tako, kot bi moralo bit.

pa ista nategancija je s hrano: sirotka, e-ji (ne vsi, precejšen del pa), želatina, kri ... svašta. celo v alkoholne pijače so začel svašta štulit. se mi zdi, da bom šla slej kot prej "back to nature" kolikor se bo pač dalo - kljub temu, da sadje, zelenjavo in podobno ful špricajo pa vse, je še vedno 12-20x manj strupov not kot v hrani živalskega izvora (kopičenje odpadnih&stupenih snovi, biološko potrjeno - je celo v učbenikih, ne neke xy raziskave). vsaj veš, kaj ješ ... če maš pa še doma vrt al pa kšno sadno drevje, si pa že skoraj zmagal.

[Adriane]

Hvala. Ko bo več časa, skočim pogledat.

[Anouk]

mogoče Ecor?

[Frida]

Nila, cene so pa ugodne, mehčalec 750ml za skoraj 3€.

Jaz sem nekaj dni nazaj na lj tržnici v trgovinici, kjer imajo Aubrey Organics kupila mehčalec za 10€ (1l). Firma je Bio-D, piše concentrated bio D fabric conditioner...
Kako si ve razlagate tale stavek, men se zdi mal dvoumen no: Kjer je le možno, smo v izdelkih uporabili surovine iz obnovljivih virov, ki niso bile testirane na živalih.

A testirajo al ne?

[fabulous]

Te nove stvari, ki jih reklamirajo zadnje čase (Luna), baje tudi ne testirajo na živalih.

[Frida]

Ja Nila, se strinjam s tabo. Naslednjič bom vprašala, ko bom tam. Ko sem šla pa to kupit, mi je blo kar samoumevno, da pač ne testirajo, glede na to, v kateri trgovini sem to kupila. Mal sem jezna nase - tukaj hočem pazit, da izdelek ne bo testiran na živalih, plačam 10€, kar je ful drago za liter mehčalca, potem pa preberem tak dvoumen stavek.

[Anja88]

Preveri tudi, če testirajo hrano za male živali. Vem, da Eukanuba izvaja prav grozljive teste. Jo ne kupujem. Pa royal canin se mi zdi da tud.

RC ni testiral. Eukanuba oz. IAMS pa je. Drugače vsako hrano za pse morajo stestirati ampak ne na tak nehuman in grozovit način! (hranijo psa s to hrano 1 mesec, ga tehtajo, spremljajo srce-če je dlaka svetleča, ne shujša, se ne zredi (pač odvisno od tipa hrane) in to morajo narditi).

Od čistil pa vem da Ajax testira. Če pa katera najde mehčalec in pralni prašek od firme ki ne testirajo prsim naj napiše.

[Frida]

Anja, o mehčalcih in praških je govora že na prejšnji strani. Si lahko pogledaš nekatere izdelke na strani tm-shop, kjer naročamo Lavero.