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[Jinadaze]

Ja, sem se zmotila, ta link je pravi. 

[Matilda]

 

O tem pa sploh bi se dalo ogromno debatirat, in verjemi, ne bi prišli na konec

Ja? a ga morda nimajo veliko? 300mg je maksimalen vnos holesterola na dan, kar pokrijeta 2 jajci (celi). Seveda pa holesterola od hrane sploh ne rabimo. 

Sicer pa nisem še nikoli nikjer slišala, da je treba jajca zaradi zdravja jest. 

[Barbarina]

Nikjer ni dokazano, da holesterol iz hrane vpliva na slab holesterol v krvi.

[Anouk]

Bi znalo bit, da ne tako zelo (konec koncev nase telo proizvede precej holesterola za interno uporabo, ampak se te vrednosti od cloveka do cloveka razlikujejo), vsekakor pa pripomore k poslabsanju razlicnih krvnih vrednosti v kombinaciji z nasicenimi mascobami. 

 

Zakljucek iz ene metastudije:

 

 

Serum cholesterol concentration is clearly increased by added dietary cholesterol but the magnitude of predicted change is modulated by baseline dietary cholesterol. The greatest response is expected when baseline dietary cholesterol is near zero, while little, ifany, measurable change would be expected once baseline dietary cholesterol was > 400-500 mg/d. People desiring maximal reduction ofserum cholesterol by dietary means may have to reduce their dietary cholesterol to minimal levels (< 100-150 mg/d) to observe modest serum cholesterol reductions while persons eating a diet relatively rich in cholesterol would be expected to experience little change in serum cholesterol after adding even large amounts ofcholesterol to their diet. Despite modest average effects ofdietary cholesterol, there are some individuals who are much more responsive (and others who are not responsive). Individual degrees of response to dietary cholesterol may be mediated by differences in cholesterol absorption efficiency, neutral sterol excretion, conversion ofhepatic cholesterol to bile acids, or modulation of HMG-CoA reductase or other key enzymes involved in intracellular cholesterol economy, each ultimately resulting in changes of plasma LDL cholesterol concentration mediated primarily by up- or down-regulation of LDL receptors. KLIK

 

For hours after you eat (eggs), dietary cholesterol increases the susceptibility of LDL to oxidize, vascular inflammation, oxidative stress, and postprandial hyperlipemia and potentiates the harmful effects of saturated fat, impairs endothelial function, and increases cardiovascular events, meaning heart attacks.

Dietary cholesterol may only increase our fasting cholesterol levels 10%, but it may increase the susceptibility of our LDL to oxidize by 37-39%, and that’s what triggers much of the arterial inflammation.

 

Spence JD, Jenkins DJ, Davignon. Dietary cholesterol and egg yolks: not for patients at risk of vascular disease. J. Can J Cardiol. 2010 Nov;26(9):e336-9

Spence JD, Jenkins DJ, Davignon. Reply to Letters from Dr Maria Luz Fernandez, Eddie Vos, and Dr Niva Shapira. Can J Cardiol. 2011 Mar-Apr;27(2): 264.e7-8

 

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V (in pod, npr. Ramiclimber ima en daljsi prispevek) tem videom je precej informacij (z viri in linki iz peer-reviewed publikacij, kot nasploh vse informacije na NutritionFacts), se pa ne mislim kaj dosti zraven mesat . Pac - kdor zeli, si lahko prebere, pogleda se kaj drugega, in si ustvari svoje mnenje.  

[Barbarina]

Cholesterol is not considered a nutrient of concern for overconsumption. We got the dietary guidelines wrong. They’ve been wrong for decades - New U.S. Guidelines Will Lift Limits On Dietary Cholesterol

The influential Dietary Guidelines Advisory Committee has recommended that limitations on dietary cholesterol be removed from the upcoming 2015 edition of Dietary Guidelines for Americans. Recommendations to reduce dietary cholesterol have been a mainstay of the USDA and other guidelines for many years, starting with guidelines from the American Heart Association in the 1960s.

The proposed change reflects a major shift in the scientific view of cholesterol that has taken place in recent years. Although serum cholesterol is still considered an important risk factor, cholesterol consumed in food is now thought to play a relatively insignificant role in determining blood levels of cholesterol. In previous guidelines excess dietary cholesterol was considered to be a public health concern. The draft of the new report [PDF] states:

”Cholesterol is not considered a nutrient of concern for overconsumption.”

The proposed change was first reported on Tuesday by Peter Whoriskey in the Washington Post. He reports that “a person with direct knowledge of the proceedings said the cholesterol finding would make it to the group’s final report, which is due within weeks.” The final guideline will be published later this year by the Department of Health and Human Services and the Department of Agriculture. Whoriskey writes that the guidelines “help determine the content of school lunches, impacts how food manufacturers advertise their wares, and often serves as the foundation for reams of diet advice.”

“It’s the right decision,” Steve Nissen told USA Today. “We got the dietary guidelines wrong. They’ve been wrong for decades.” Nissen also said that advice about reducing saturated fat and salt may be wrong, but no major change in these areas is expected in the new guidelines.

 

 

kot je Sarah rekla, ne bomo prišli nikamor, zato se umikam iz debate.

[Anouk]

Ja, sem brala o tem, je bilo veliko napisanega vsepovsod En odziv PCRM (Physicians Committe for Responsible Medicine)-ja na omenjene spremembe v smernicah je tukaj.

[Barbarina]

No, še strokovnjaki si niso enotni, kako bi si bile me

[Matilda]

Dejmo tole kopirat v temo "zanimivi clanki o hrani" ali kaj je ze, ker ful smetimo... Pa se lahko tam nadaljuje. (Sem na telefonu in ne morem pomanjsat)

[Anouk]

No, še strokovnjaki si niso enotni, kako bi si bile me

 

Ja, evo, tocno to sem razmisljala Te stvari so res tako kompleksne in jih je tezko do "prave" mere izolirat, da se meris fenomen, ki ga hoces merit, brez da bi ga deformiral. In potem se razlicne vrste analiz po vrhu, ki tako ali drugace dajo nek rezultat, ki ga z besedami spet nekako zapakiras v clanek z drugimi citati ... In ustroj ene studije ni enak drugi, prav tako si niso enake njihove teze, in to je vse pred imact factorji zurnalov. 

 

Jaz sem pac privzela (po kar nekaj studija), da je vegetarijanstvo oz. veganstvo zdrav in primeren nacin prehranjevanja, dodajam pac B12 in vitamin D in je to pac to. Nisem na lovu za nutricionistiko v smislu, da na vsak nacin koga v "svoj prav" prepricujem, ker pac ... se zdravniki nimajo dovolj znanja ali cesa, da bi temu prisli do dna, zato pac poskusam razlicne informacije primerjat in vzamem "za svoje" tiste, ki so mi v danem trenutku najbolj logicne oz. smiselne. 

[Barbarina]

[Immortelle]

Bolj zdravi krofi: http://duhovnost.eu/...jaznejsi-krofi/

[Ana]

Ima katera mogoče recept od Kinkyjine cheesecake? Je imela na blogu, pa je izbrisala...

[Matilda]

A ima blog? Jaz vem samo za instagram. 

[Sarah]

Naredi to od Ane, baje je tudi dobra.

[Ana]

Zadnjič sem naredila to torto in je bila SUPER dobra. Priporočam!

 

http://www.easy-rece...alentinovo.html

 

Anouk

 

Meni je ta torta ful dobra, ampak z nekaj mojimi popravki.

 

1. Plast

Jaz dam malo več datljev kot je napisano. Odvisno je najbrž od tega če so zelo lepljivi ali bolj suhi. Če so zelo lepljivi, bo napisana količina dovolj, drugače pa jih bo mogoče treba dat malo več.

 

2. Plast

Jaz ne uporabljam indijskih oreščkov v presnih tortah, ker se mi zdijo lešniki boljši. Če pa boš uporabila (jih imaš bolj pri roki...), pa tudi ne bo nič narobe. Samo svetujem ti da jih NE NAMAKAŠ, kot to svetujejo v večini presnih receptov. Jaz sem delala za fantov rojstni dan mangovo presno torto in sem oreščke namočila - napaka. Niso vpili nič tekočine, krema se mi ni strdila in ko sem vzela obod stran, se je samo razlilo na vse strani. GROZLJIVKA.

 

Ker nisem imela agavinega sirupa, sem uporabila kokosov sladkor.

 

Enako sem ugotovila da se kakavovo maslo ne strdi tako fajn kot kokosovo.

 

3. Plast

Jaz uporabljam recept za čokoladno vrhnjo plast, ki sem ga enkrat uporabila pri tej torti in se ga držim za celo življenje. Vrhnja plast je lepo strjena, dovolj mehka da se lepo reže in stopi v ustih. Torej jedilna čokolada, sladka smetana (če uporabiš sojino bo isto ) in malo ruma.

 

Se zavedam da po vseh teh mojih spremembah to skorajda več ni presna torta... Ampak je pa dobra.

 

Tudi Presno Sacher torto toplo priporočam. Spet pa nekaj mojih "izboljšav".

 

Za dno sem uporabila kar isti recept kot vedno - datlji + lešniki + žlica kakava.

 

Za kremo pa sem malo eksperimentirala in sem dala vse kar piše v tem receptu, pol banane, kokosov sladkor in najbrž 150g kakava v prahu.

 

Uporabila sem domačo marmelado, ampak bi jo morala segret in vmešat želatino (agar), ker seveda ni stala na svojem mestu kot sem jaz želela. :/

 

Zgornja plast kot vedno.

 

Ta je bila tudi zelo zelo dobra.

[Anouk]

Aha, neke vrste ganache torej naredis. Mene nic ne moti, ce je delno kuhano ali peceno, nisem hudo zbircna Lesnike uporabljas prazene/oluscene ali ne?

[Barbarina]

Jaz sem tudi delala kremo za presno torto iz avokada in datljev in je super! Res priporočam, avokado se sploh ne čuti, moj fant ga ne mara pa ni ugotovil.. . je pa nujno, da je avokado zelo zrel.

[Ana]

Aha, neke vrste ganache torej naredis. Mene nic ne moti, ce je delno kuhano ali peceno, nisem hudo zbircna Lesnike uporabljas prazene/oluscene ali ne?

Moja babica ima nasad lesnikov, pa imam njene. Tako da kar tiste uporabim, pa sploh ne prazim/lupim. Imajo se kar tisto rjavo skorjico gor.

[Anouk]

[Ana]

Jaz sem tudi delala kremo za presno torto iz avokada in datljev in je super! Res priporočam, avokado se sploh ne čuti, moj fant ga ne mara pa ni ugotovil.. . je pa nujno, da je avokado zelo zrel.

 

Avokado mora biti za karkoli delaš z njim zrel, drugače ni užiten. Se pa meni zdi, da avokado sploh nima nekega posebnega okusa, zato se itak skrije med vsemi sestavinami, ki so v torti. Če pa dodaš banano, pa nimaš šanse da tolče ven.

Pri avokadu je še ena zakonitost: nikoli ga ne smeš kuhat/pečt, ker pogreni. Been there done that. Vse vse samo v koš vrgla.