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[Ancka Pomarancka]

A to je tista, ki je bila včasih v črno-zelenem ovitku? Edina, ki ni "trda"?

[Neytiri]

jap . Meni je tudi ta najboljša.

[Nincha]

A obstaja pri nas kakšen izraz za medium rare, glede pečenosti mesa? Srednje surovo?

[Sarah]

Srednje pečeno, po moje.

Saj v argentinotu te vedno to vpraša, ampak zdaj se ne spomnim, kateri izraz uporabi.

[Nincha]

Ja saj ravno zato, v Argentinosu jem vsak petek in mi je vedno ful problem razlagat, da bi srednje pečeno, ampak mogoče še malo manj kot srednje, ampak ne pa čisto surovo - če pa zaradi Ramsya vem, da obstaja lep izraz medium rare, pa me zanima, če je v slo tut.

 

Meni vedno reče, kako želim pečeno, nič ne ponudi možnosti haha.

[Sarah]

Aha okej. Jaz sem bila samo 1x, pa je fantu naštela vse variante, mislim, da jih je bilo 5

TU je neki, ampak hrv.

[Nincha]

Ja v ang vem, rare, medium rare, medium, medium well pa well done. Eh.

[Kami]

Ali se v Orci splača kupit dodatke za prehrano, če imajo -15%?

[Kami]

[sade]

http://wearechange.s...ot-smo-mislili/

 

Kaj je vaše mnenje o temu? Jaz več ne vem kaj si naj mislim...Toliko je nasprotujočih si informacij...

[Anouk]

Sade, o soji (in konkretno o tem linku) smo ze vsaj 2x razpravljali tu na forumu.

 

 

 

Meni je vsa ta gonja okrog soje odvratna. Drži, procesirana hrana je problematična (z več vidikov), pa GSO tudi ni vedno fajn stavr (tudi z več vidikov), pa še kaj bi se našlo. Me pa čudi, da ob množici študij, ki kažejo povezave med vnosem živil živalskega izvora in raznimi boleznimi, ki so vodilni vzroki smrti v pretežnem delu sveta, ni kakšnega preplaha in se vsi otepajo tega, da bi morali kaj spremenit (kar se tiče prehrane ali življenjskega stila) kot hudič križa. Se mi zdi, da je pač publika lačna novic, ki potrjujejo to, kar hočejo slišat (ne da bi rabili premislit/spremenit stvari, ki jih praktično vse življenje jemljejo kot samoumevne). So bile zanime psihološke študije narejene na to temo (psychology of persuasion oz. disengagement beliefs in selective exposure theory, če se komu googla ).

Zdaj če imaš take ali drugačne (utemeljene ali fiktivne) težave s sojo, se ji pač izogibaš, saj ni težko, če se držiš stran od procesirane hrane. Jaz čisto enostavno shajam brez nje (čeprav je stereotipno skorajda sinonim za vegetarijanstvo/veganstvo).

 

 

Pa se par linkov:

 

Soy contraversies:

http://zenhabits.net/soy/

Safety of soy:

http://www.compassio...e-safety-of-soy

Soy is not evil:

http://www.compassio...y-is-not-evil-3


Pa se konkretno o vplivu na testosteron ipd.:

 

 

SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE: SOY DOES NOT HAVE FEMINIZING EFFECTS ON MEN

ANALYSIS: "Soybean isoflavone exposure does not have feminizing effects on men" - NIH National Institute of Health
"Neither isoflavone supplements nor isoflavone-rich soy affect total or free testosterone levels. Clinical evidence also indicates that isoflavones have no effect on sperm. There is essentially no evidence from the nine identified clinical studies that soy isoflavone exposure affects estrogen levels in men."
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20378106

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LABORATORY TESTS REVEAL SOY ESTROGEN MYTH IS A HOAX.

PUBMED JOURNAL: "Clinical studies show no effects of soy protein or isoflavones on reproductive hormones in men"
"32 reports involving 36 treatment groups and 15 placebo-controlled treatment groups with baseline and ending measures involving soy, isoflavones, genistein, phytoestrogens, red clover, androgens, testosterone, and SHBG, were analyzed. CONCLUSION: The results of this meta-analysis found that neither soy foods nore soy isoflavone supplements alter measures of bioavailable Testosterone concentrations in men. There was no effect.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19524224

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METASTUDY: REVIEW OF OVER 15 STUDIES SHOW NO ESTROGENIC EFFECT OF SOY ON MEN'S TESTOSTERONE

SCIENCE: "Review finds NO Effect of soy on testosterone" - METAREVIEW STUDY
Despite rumours often spread on the internet, "A review of 15 studies into the influence of soy proteins or isoflavones on male hormones has found No evidence of an estrogen-like effect." These rumours stemmed from a handful of flawed reports. "The authors criticized the studies that reported lowered testosterone levels for their methodology." One of them had only 12 subjects in it. In another, the researchers forgot to include a control, and final readings, rendering their results useless. In another one the entire result was due to just 1 subject. The soy scares were based on this flawed science. It was actually found that Soy does not cause breast cancer, protstate cancer, thyroid problems, infant formula problems, or estrogenic effects, on the contrary "Eating soy demonstrated protection against breast cancer, prostate cancer, and heart disease." Eating Soy was confirmed benficial. For women, children, and indeed men.
www.foodnavigator.com/Science-Nutrition/Review-finds-no-e...

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REVIEW FINDS NO SUCH EFFECT OF SOY ON MEN OR TESTOSTERONE:

NEWS: "Scientific Review finds no effect of soy on testosterone"
By Caroline Scott-Thomas, 30-Jun-2009
"Results suggest that consumption of soy foods or isoflavone supplements would Not result in the adverse effects associated with lower [testosterone] levels." "No significant effects of soy protein or isoflavone intake on T [testosterone] or SHBG [sex hormone-binding globulin] were found." There was no effect of soy on testosterone.
www.foodproductiondaily.com/Quality-Safety/Review-finds-n...

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AMERICAN INSTITUTE FOR CANCER RESEARCH: SOY HAS NO ESTROGEN, SOY ESTROGEN MYTH IS AN UN-SCIENTIFIC HOAX.

AICR: "Men Don't Need to Fear Soy Foods" -American Institute for Cancer Research
It’s no wonder that men who have read the recent stories circulating about soy are confused. Some stories claim that soy foods, such as tofu and soy milk, can lead to breast growth or reduce testosterone levels. Fears that the amount of phytoestrogens in moderate amounts of soy foods could stimulate men’s breast tissue or reduce their testosterone are not based on sound research. A study of children fed soy protein formula for more than six months showed no hormonal effects. A study of men found that the men who ate soy foods twice a day for three months showed NO change in testosterone levels. Soy does not cause prostate cancer, on the contrary, the studies showed eating soy by men was beneficial in lowering the risk of prostate cancer. Men can feel safe.
www.foodconsumer.org/newsite/Nutrition/Food/180820091053_...

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SCIENCE: NOT ONLY DOES SOY *NOT* CONTAIN ESTROGEN, SOY *BLOCKS* ESTROGEN

SCIENCE NEWS: "Soy Phytoestrogens May Block Estrogen Effects"
"Isoflavones may protect against the more powerful estrogen produced by the body." "The addition of high levels of dietary soy isoflavones tended to block estrogen." -Senior investigator J. Mark Cline, D.V.M., Ph.D.
www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060115154340.htm

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BODYBUILDING MAGAZINES CONFIRM IT:
MUSCULAR DEVELOPMENT: "SOY PROTEIN HAS NO EFFECT ON TESTOSTERONE LEVELS"
"The meta-analysis examined 47 research reports covering 51 treatment groups. Peer-reviewed studies. The analysis concluded that neither soy protein nor isoflavone supplementation exerted any negative alterations on bioavailable testosterone in males, regardless of research model. Soy did not exert any estrogen-like effects in men, nor any lowering of testosterone levels or other reproductive hormones."
www.musculardevelopment.com/index.php?option=com_content&...

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IRONMAN CONFIRMS: SOY PROTEIN HAS NO EFFECT ON MEN, SOY HAS NO EFFECT ON TESTOSTERONE

IRONMAN MAGAZINE: "Eating soy has No effect on either testosterone or estrogen levels"
"You see the caution on countless Internet sites related to bodybuilding: Avoid eating soy products unless you want to lower your testosterone count. At first glance the dire warnings about soy are plausible...However, actual scientific research found that soy protein and isoflavone intake had No significant effects on testosterone. Neither total nor free testosterone was negatively affected by dietary soy in Any of the studies. None. Also, Studies confirmed Soy has no negative effect on thyroid hormones. Both whey and soy proved superior to casein in aiding muscle protein synthesis in young men. Eating soy will have no effect on either testosterone or estrogen. - STRAIGHT FROM "IRONMAN BODYBUILDING" MAGAZINE
www.ironmanmagazine.com/site/soy-and-your-testosterone/

[sade]

Joj, hvala, kako si se potrudila . Nisem zasledila te debate.

[Anouk]

Ja, ni panike, saj vem, da ob razlicnih casih beremo razlicne teme, ki se nam pac takrat zdijo aktualne Samo na ta WeAreChange in sojo sem pa ze kar malo (metaforicno) alergicna, ker se kar naprej pojavljajo na forumu, FB, krozijo po mejlih itd. .

[Kami]

kateri kalčki so najboljši za kitajsko hrano.

Tisti iz konzerve ali suhi ali kakšni drugi?

[Sarah]

Je katera že delala doma peanut butter?

Samo olje + arašide + sol zmelješ v blenderju?

[Podgana]

Če imaš dober blender, ne rabiš olja. Ga toliko oddajo arašidi, da rata precej tekoče. Eni dodajajo med. 1 in 2.

Jaz sem delala iz slanih.

[Freya_]

Tiste ki delate ajdove in podobne polpete - a jih kdaj tudi zamrznete? Predvidevam, da to ne bi smelo biti problematično?

[Dragica]

Ja, seveda. Pac naredim jih enkrat vsake toliko in jih potem zamrznem.

[Freya_]

Super, hvala za info!

[Kami]

jaz tudi ...

zmrznila sem že vse ... ajdove, bučkine, zelenjavne...

samo žal izgubijo na okusu ... meni vedno pridejo gumijasti ... jih pa pečem v pečici in tudi zmrznjene odtajam in segrejem v pečici ... mogoče je pa tu problem.